Fair phantom: The Return of the King (Part 3)

The blogosphere is a very interesting place. The weaving shuttle seems to pass effortlessly from hand to hand or keyboard to keyboard, without leaving any seams or loose threads.

A wee while ago The Accidental Alchemist threaded an image onto his site that ‘resonated’ & so I wanted to leave a comment. As it is my pleasure to play with words & ideas, a comment that would normally read as ‘eagle eyes’ got changed to ‘eyes of a griffin‘ – bringing in my fairly recent (& to be continued) leonine theme. Before publishing said comment I thought I’d better check that griffins didn’t have any uncomplementary traits, thus it was that I read the wiki page on griffins & thus it was that the penultimate sentence on that page led to this post.

“Griffin” (and variants in other languages) may also have been adopted as a surname by other families who used arms charged with a griffin or a griffin’s head (just as the House of Plantagenet took its name from the badge of a sprig of broom or planta genista).

As a teenager I’d been fascinated by the tale of Richard III, so the name Plantagenet was instantly familiar.

The Plantagenets were a French family that assumed control of the English throne in 1133. Although the Plantagenets were not successful in gaining power in France, the English Plantagenet Kings ruled until 1485. The line comprised 14 monarchs, and fell into extinction at the hands of the Tudor Dynastyfrom Wisegeek.


You are undountedly familiar with many names in this all boy lineup, either through history as in Richard the Lionheart or through literature. Francis Bacon-Shakespeare made many of these kings (in)famously famous, occasionally going to the extent of chopping them up into smaller bits (& getting away with it) – Richard II, Henry IV parts 1 and 2, Henry V, Henry VI parts 1, 2, and 3 and Richard III.

This combination of history with entertainment fits very well with the winding ramble that we are about to undertake.

So lets return to the wiki page from whence we began.


Heath Ledger died at 421 Broome Street. Previously all that came to mind with this address were witches brooms or the town of that name in Western Australia, neither were enough to get any bearings from. That all changed with the (re)discovery of a dynasty that took its name from a sprig of broom said to have been worn in the hat of Geoffrey V of Anjou, founding member of the Plantagenets.

Geoff’s son Henry was the first in the family to be King of England – he sits in the history books under the title of Henry II. Following wiki’s link to his home page, my eye was caught by a mis-read in the side panel – I thought I saw the words ‘Henry the Lion King’ & thus leaped before I looked to the webbed link – I found was mistaken, it was not ‘Henry the Lion King’ but ‘Henry the Young King’ (Richard the Lionheart was listed underneath & my eyes had got crossed).


As I wiki’ed Henry the Young King, I got an increasing sense of familiarity with a very recent knight & prince.

...he is described as a charming youth of striking beauty, tall but well proportioned, broad-shouldered with a long and elegant neck, pale and freckled skin, bright and wide blue eyes, with a thick mop of the reddish-gold hair characteristic of his dynasty.” Although wiki has the ‘citation needed’ tag on this snippet, I did find other (copyrighted) material that backs up these claims of ‘handsome prince’.

Under the heading ‘Tournament hero and celebrity’ we find;

“...the Young King’s contemporary reputation ..had much to do with his place in the enthusiastic tournament culture of his own day…The History [of William Marshall] depicts him as constantly moving from tournament to tournament across northern and central France

The baron and troubador, Bertran de Born, who knew him, said that he was ‘…the best king who ever took up a shield, the most daring and best of all tourneyers… never was seen a knight so skilled, so warlike, whose fame resounded so around the world… as far as the River Nile and the setting sun.’

Now let’s check out A Knights Tale via wiki

The film follows the story of William Thatcher, a peasant turned knight, along with his companions in the world of Medieval jousting. William poses as a knight and competes in tournaments, winning accolades and acquiring friendships with such historical figures as Edward the Black Prince of Wales.

Ok so interesting enough, we have a few similarities, but where’s all this leading? Well lets just look a little longer in a mildly (or wildly) fanciful way.

Henry the Young King died young (he was never actually King, he was simply called thus to distinguish him as next in line to the throne). He was a mere 28 years old when he died.

Heath Ledger, Actor, Is Found Dead at 28

He contracted dysentery at the beginning of June. Weakening fast, he was taken to Martel, near Limoges. It was clear to his household that he was dying on 7 June when he was confessed and received the last rites. As a token of his penitence for his war against his father he prostrated himself naked on the floor before a crucifix…

The police said Mr. Ledger, 28, was found naked on the floor

There were large and emotional gatherings wherever his body rested

memorial tributes were communicated by family members… and thousands of Ledger’s fans around the world.”

His former chaplain, Gervaise of Tilbury, said that ‘his death was the end of everything knightly’.

Is it even remotely possible that Heath Ledger might have lived some of the lives he acted out in his 28 years? Is it possible that he was more than he appeared to be?

Wiki again on A Knights Tale:

Adhemar … discovers William’s humble origins. He alerts the authorities to his secret and William is arrested and sent to prison… When in the stocks, William’s companions all rise to defend him, though they accidentally cause the crowd to raise up against them. However, Prince Edward emerges from the mob, and tells the crowd that his historians have discovered that William is descendant from an “ancient royal line.” He then dubs him ‘Sir William’ .

Apparently movies are fantasies (c.1325, “illusory appearance,”), but are they? Are they really just ‘images & sounds’ or do they create or allow another world to coexist within this one? Certainly they seem to have a life force of their own. They have become a part of our lives, just as dreams are a part of our lives. We don’t merely watch them, we step inside, them heart & mind. I know I have been ‘captivated’ (c.1374, from L. captivus, from captus, pp. of capere “to take, hold, seize”) by them in the past.

We return to A Knight’s Tale. Prince Edward or The Black Prince as he’s historically known was indeed a Plantagenet. So are Heath (& we) being told that he descended from an ancient royal line?

I thought I’d check out the name William for any little extra snippets & came across this;

The name [William] was so popular, in fact, that history records an event in Normandy in 1171 where Henry the Young King held court for Christmas which included 110 knights named “William” – the Williams had gathered in a room and refused to allow any one to eat with them, unless they were named William.

Honestly I’d never even heard of Henry the Young King until very recently & then suddenly he (& knights called William) are Wiki’s best friends.

Anyway lets move on.

Before Heath’s name spilled & spelled from world-wide lips, he was cast (you know, like a spell is cast) into a series of 13 episodes (enchantments) called Roar. Heath was celluloidily reincarnated as the golden Celtic Prince, ConOR.

When Conor’s family is brutally murdered by a marauding clan led by King Gar (guest star Leo Taylor) and Queen Diane (Lisa Zane), an emissary of the evil Romans, Conor is forced to take up the mythic sword of his dead father and unite his people in the name of peace.

Because this series of articles revolves around the death of three people, no post can be written without some interweaving of tales. Thus it is in the pilot of Roar we have the presence of Keri Russell as Conor’s girlfriend. Keri also played the lead role in the movie Waitress, thus linking her to both Heath Ledger & Adrienne Shelly. Much more is to come about her, but for now we note that she was there, ‘in the beginning’ so to speak. She is cast as the daughter of King Gar (Leo Taylor). She jumps in front of her Dad’s sword to save Heath & in dying she reaches up with Lady Macbeth-style hands & bloods Heath;

There exists in England to-day a curious hunting rite, which is well known to all followers of hounds, but which, perhaps because of its very strangeness and barbarity, is seldom if ever mentioned in the copious literature of hunting. When a person—nowadays usually a child—is present at a kill of a fox for the first time, the Master, taking some severed portion of the animal, smears some of the blood upon the face of the person, who is not allowed to wash it off until the evening. This procedure of ‘Blooding’ or ‘Christening’, as it is called, is regarded as an honour, and, to judge from various accounts I have collected, usually gives great pleasure to the parents of the children who are blooded.

Lets take a numerical turn around this blooded prince. From Ellis Taylor: “His full name, Heathcliffe Andrew Ledger totals 16 Born: 4th April 1979 Like his full name, a 16 numerologically, and probably the most mentioned number on this site relating to tragedies. It is the number of the Tarot Tower. Its total, by natural addition, is 7 (1+6) matches the total number of the apartment number in the Manhattan tower block 421. The address, ‘421 Broome Street’ has a numerological value of 16.

I was quite pleased with the info I’d found regarding Henry the Young King & was quite prepared to leave it there, but I kept getting flashbacks to Bosworth Field, a place in England I’d visited many years ago.

Richard III died at the battle of Bosworth Field, on 22 August 1485. He reigned for 2 years & 2 months (note the numbers that pre-echo Heath’s demise on 22 January). He was the last English king to die in battle & he was the last Plantagenet king. One of the as yet not-overdue library books I have out at the moment, The Life & Times of Richard III also says this;

the date of his death is said to mark the close of that otherwise indefinable episode known as the Middle Ages.

As far as monarchical reputations go, Richard III has probably had one of history’s most tarnished & it came courtesy of the historic history-maker who went by the pseudonym of WILLIAM Shakespeare. Here’s an image to paint you a picture.


Richard died a young king, he was just 32 years old. He was betrayed, dragged from his horse & slain. His last words are reported to be “treason, treason, treason.” Richard’s death brought the War of the Roses to an end & heralded a new dynasty – the Tudors.

Out of interest lets follow the signs from Bosworth Field.

After he was killed “Richard’s naked body was then paraded through the streets.” We know that Heath was found naked, so this description does bear a rather striking resemblance to the now famous image below (apologies for using this picture I just wanted to emphasise the similarity in this one tale from two cities).

Both real & screen kings have other striking similarities. Another image will reduce the amount of words needed.

These two kings share the same treatment on the silver screen, re-membered as characters deformed in mind & body.

From a Heath Ledger info site:

His most favorite Shakespearean play is “The Life & Death of King Richard III.

Before, during & after the first anniversary of Heath’s death this year, a grand production took place in Australia. It was called The War of the Roses & condensed Will Shakespeare’s ‘Plantagenet Period:

Over eight hours, The War Of The Roses spans eight of Shakespeare’s history plays, from the elegance and melancholy of Richard II through to the barbarity and catastrophe of Richard III.

I’d put Heath & Richard together in the Google blender & that’s how I found this.

Check out these other rather interesting quotes from that performance;

Shakespeare himself knew this in conceiving his Richard III – the character is deliciously, theatrically evil. And this is the cue picked up by Pamela Rabe – magnificent in the part – where even her character’s own deformity is cause for an inverted self-mockery, almost narcissistic self-deprecation. Revenge is FUN! Rabe’s Richard III is, in this manner, the ancestral sponsor to Heath Ledger’s Joker.

Rabe gets to dazzle in one of the overtly virtuosic roles Shakespeare ever created. Richard III is a character that shines: in the sense that true evil emits the starkest light. Like Ledger’s Joker (one of the most distressing characterizations ever realized on screen), Rabe’s Richard of Gloucester is beyond morality. He is out there simply to create more pain. I wouldn’t put Rabe’s performance in the same league as Ledger’s Joker (she would not be still alive)… “.

Cate Blanchett of Tudor Elizabeth fame also starred in this production – here’s a snippet from a rather glowing report:

gold rains thick on the stage. It is just little rectangles of tinsel, but so much of it that the actors become wreathed in goldenness, stuck to their hair, shoulders, sometimes to their eyes and mouths, and to their hands and wrists like gloves.

Cate Blanchett, seated at the front of the stage all in cream, a crown on her pale hair, her luminous face through this golden downpour, is a mesmerising King Richard II.

In case you’re confused girls portrayed guys in this production.

http://bellanta.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/the-war-of-the-roses-a-review/

A few more observant quotes;

The advent of the Joker, one of the greatest pop-culture villains since Richard III.

And we get Ledger’s now-iconic stand on a deserted street, hunched like Richard III, roaring “Come on, I want you to do it. Hit me!”

Last year Gavin from Atlantean Times expressed his belief that Laurence Olivier was Heath’s father. Following this trail (wiki again) proved interesting –

Richard III is a 1955 British film adaption of William Shakespeare’s historical play … It was directed and produced by Laurence Olivier, who also played the lead role..”

Skipping sideways for a moment, lets see how a random example seems to highlight the intricate weaving of story & history. I found this actress somewhere along the way & was amazed at how she wove her way through the Fair Phantom theme.

“[Claire] Bloom also appeared in Laurence Olivier’s film version of Richard III,…the following year, she received great acclaim for her portrayal of Ophelia in Hamlet (we’ll come to that in another post),…and playing Cathy in Wuthering Heights with Keith Michell as Heathcliff …On continuing television series, she has appeared on the New York-based Law & Order: Criminal Intent (the show that did a take-off of Adrienne Shelly’s murder) ….The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm (1962) is a Cinerama film directed by Henry Levin (we’re coming to that) – [she played] Dorothea Grimm (Aferrismoon, I thought you would appreciate that little word-play) … her romantic relationships with Richard Burton and Laurence Olivier.

An interesting floral thread can be woven in here with the Lady Bloom. We started this trail following a sprig of blooming Broom. Meanwhile …

Heath is a ground-hugging plant often considered to be a small shrub. It is identified by it’s needle-like foliage and small, bell-shaped flowers ranging from white to pink to purple to deep red.

It’s botanical name is Erica. If we check out the name Erica, we find it means ‘Eternal ruler’ or ‘Ruler Of All’. With a title like that it’s just too hard to resist a little playtime – grabbing hold of the Eternal Ruler Yahweh & removing his ‘I‘ (oh is that what happened to Horus!) but keeping his surname we get ‘AM,’ add Heath or ERICA & we get AM+ERICA (‘am the Ruler of All?) – a kingly title if ever there was one.

Now I have a feeling I’ve been going on for a long time, so I think I’d better get round to rounding things up (for now).

Way back in a previous post when I looked at jokers & jesters, I used this quote the jester is the symbolic twin of the king’ & suggested that in Batman, the Joker is his ‘twin’. Looking at Heath’s royal screen lineage, I find that I keep thinking that he, in HIS portrayal of the Joker, was actually the Dark Knight of that movie.

This quote seemed to say more than it perhaps meant – ” ‘The Dark Knight’ has officially been knighted into the very exclusive billion club. The Batman film has become the fourth film to take in more than a billion dollars in worldwide box office.”

Looking etymologically at the word fame we find:

c.1290, “celebrity, renown,” from O.Fr. fame, from L. fama “talk, rumor, report, reputation,” fromPIE base *bha- “to speak, tell, say

I was wondering today if fame simply means that a great deal of people know & speak the ‘spell’ that is that person’s name. In this world our names are one of our most valuable possessions. The name Heath Ledger is now surely bigger than the man ever was.

One of Heaths most acclaimed roles was in Brokeback Mountain. Shakespeare painted Richard III as a deformed character. He was portrayed as a hunchback & given the name Richard Crookback. Heath’s character in Brokeback Mountain is Ennis del Mar –re-form that name & you get Lamed sinner.

How about another name.

Heath’s daughter is Mathilda Rose – but of course, you say he was Australian, how patriotic to name his daughter in keeping with his heritage… but there was another Matilda

Empress Matilda, also known as Matilda of England or Maude (c. 7 February 1102 – 10 September 1167) was the daughter and heir of King Henry I of England. Matilda and her younger brother, William Adelin, were the only legitimate children of King Henry. Her brother died young, leaving Matilda as the last heir from the paternal line of her grandfather William the Conqueror.

As a child, Matilda was betrothed to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor. From her marriage to Henry, she acquired the title Empress. The couple had no known children. When widowed, she was married to Geoffrey of Anjou

You do remember Geoff don’t you? He was the lad who wore a sprig of Broom in his cap. Matilda was the mother of the Plantaganet line – her son Henry II was the first Plantagenet & he was father to Henry the Young King & to Richard the Lionheart.

Matilda’s second name ‘Rose,’ while being very pretty, is also the symbol of England.

The Tudor rose is a combination of the white rose of York & the red rose of Lancaster and takes its name and origins from the Tudor dynasty.

This symbol could perhaps be said to signify the death of Richard III as his death gave the Tudors ‘life’.

I’ve seen this comment a few times:

Is it just me or does Matilda Rose look exactly like her daddy, Heath Ledger?

What I have wondered as I researched this article is whether Heath Ledger was indeed of royal blood line. Is it possible that he lived previous lives as Kings. There was a time when royalty was everything, I don’t think that’s changed, but I’m wondering if royalty has changed shape & shapeshifted into superstars. In every way they are portrayed as gods, giant beings living giant lives, while we the peasants look on in awe.

These gods are not above sacrificing for their own ends. As much as I loathe politics I find myself wondering if there is a kind of repeat pattern happening of back then (in England) & now in the ‘Land of Erica’ – where a new dynasty (a)rose as a Dark (K)night fell.

and while the King was looking down,

the jester stole his thorny crown.

One final name to add to the loom (for now)

Anne Neville was the wife of Richard III.


Richard & Anne had one son who died in 1484. She died in 1485, just 5 months before The Battle of Bosworth Field. It was she who the above mentioned Claire Bloom, portrayed in Laurence Olivier’s version of Richard III.

This series began with the death of Adrienne Shelly. She died 15 months before Heath Ledger. Her real name was Adrienne Levine – if we re-spell her name a little, we can make this


In French the word ‘rien’ (as in adRIENne) means ‘nothing’, so I figure that gives us the ok to remove it. Rearrange ‘rien’ & you get Erin – the name of the character they copy-cat murdered in Law & Order. Re-arrange Levine & you get Nevil(l)e. Richard III’s mother’s surname was also Neville.

So just what is in a name? And what ‘Rose’ was Mr Shakespeare talking about?

……………………….to be continued


By the way this portrait is of Richard III

Additional: Another name synch popped into the shower with me this morning. Pamela Rabe is the name of the woman who portrayed Richard III in the Australian production ‘The War of the Roses’ that took place during the first anniversary of Heath Ledger’s death this year. Richard III’s Mother was Cecily Neville, she was known as ‘The Rose of Raby’ (Raby Castle being her childhood home).

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April 11, 2009. Uncategorized.

15 Comments

  1. Michael Skaggs replied:

    WOW, what an amazing scoop Wise!It all inter-twines together, I can just about see the golden~threads glimmering in the ether-net!More syncs on the rose symbolisms as I’ve just completed William Henry’s Blue Apples book, where Jesus was often signified as The Rose, or the Rose of AMOR. But again, ponderings of many researchers as of late of Jesus’ lineage being of Royalty…..and I do so enjoy your point on Royalty transforming or transfiguration into “Stars”, larger than life while the peasants adore them, or give them more AMOR than they deserve. The re-incarnation thoughts too, spot on, perhaps Heath is reincarnation of the Young King indeed.Goosebumps my friend, well written and superb sleuthing!word verify = LOTOrdi

  2. Devin replied:

    Incroyable!! wise!! hehe -hope I got my French right Once again I love the images you come up with to help tell (William Tell ;-) your articles with!! There is so much in this article that I will have to re-read it -but the things that struck me immediately are the “holographic” way Heath Ledger’s life plays out -whether one believes in reincarnation -re-in-“carnation” or not -and I am not sure of my own beliefs towards this -still exploring-but I think there just has to be a way that history is playing out (my word my typing is awful today-fumble fingers!) that is timeless and holographic in nature -if we could only “see” our reality from the timeless dimension (which I not only believe-but KNOW exists) I think we would understand so much more!! I so agree with Michaels thoughts here also -I think this post goes a long way to some things I am trying to explain about “holographic universe” theory where there is no time and the part is contained in the whole-The Plantagenet dynasty has long interested me and I had always intended to read up more on them and the rise of the Tudors-now I feel I have an excellent “primer” to go by!! Really fascinating article as always -will be back to this one -like I say it explains (I think anyway) a lot about how information in our universe is connected through a dimension beyond time -I thought the AM-Erica synch was fascinating too-although good lord I hope we are not gonna be “ruler over all” -best to you as always and I hope you and yours are doing beautifully!! WV=irwafe -“Ida know” with this one:-)

  3. wise woman replied:

    Hiya MichaelInteresting info on JC – …hmmm you remind me of a little royal something I must post on.When I write I tend to get my thoughts more 'together' – so the royal-superstar thing for me has gotten a real strong feel – was thinking this morning that the statues & painting of royalty of old could equate to the magazine covers of today.I like Devin's comments about the holographic universe – is it reincarnation or repeating patterns or something else again? Certainly my mind feels wider for contemplating these things 'woven together' as opposed to stretched back on a distant timeline.I hope you are very well & great to see you back in action :)Bonjour DevinZee accent was perfect :)I love the way your holographic ideas & posts mesh with this.Ah yes if we could step outside of time & look back in…we'd probably burst out laughing at the ridiculous sights we'd see!I thought you might like the historical theme – I read some quote somewhere about something being as confusing as the Plantagenet dynasty. I'd never thought before about how Shakespeare's plays are all about them – that's a lot of hisorical 'crafting' that has kept them alive & 'playing out' for nearly 500 years.All the best to you – your typing was fine my friend – anyway 'mistakes' allow you to look at words differently – like my reading 'lion king'.All the best to you

  4. aferrismoon replied:

    Osiris at some time gets imprisoned inside a coffin by Set and then pushed out to sea [ probably to the West]. After some time he knocks up against a tree which eventually grows around the coffin . The tree is the Erica , apparently.Isis finally works out his location and frees him though by this time the Tree and the coffin have become the roof beams of a house.Anyhow she prises him from the tree, and it becomes the symbol Tjet, or Tett pillar.been doing research into the lindn tree at present.Also wrote a comment at ‘Da Black Whole’ , in the latest post, which divided AM-Erica [ Am = hebrew for ‘mother’and enumeerates to 41]. He used a quote from the Knoight’s Tale in the postCheers

  5. StrangEye replied:

    Michael Skaggs,You’ve really nailed it to the proverbial cross with “AMOR”.Reminded me of a little settlement at Ephrata, Pennsylvania which grew into the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC)From Wikipedia:The fact is that Johannes Kelpius of the Jacob Boehme Lodge in Germany led the German Pietists to America and these Rosicrucian immigrants and their descendants established a commune in 1732 at Ephrata, Pennsylvania known as the Ephrata Society under the leadership of Johann Conrad Beissel and Peter Miller (who at the behest of Congress translated the Declaration of Independence into seven languages); the buildings still exist today as part of a historical park known as Ephrata Cloisters.To bring it full CIRCLE, perhaps WW should review her email!~SE~http://strangeye.blogspot.comWV: flesh

  6. wise woman replied:

    Hi AferrismoonThanks for the info on the ‘setting sun’ – have read the story but hadn’t connected the dots. Do you have link to Da Black Whole ?Why o why is the Linden Tree so familiar? – I know I’ve heard it recently but my mind is a blank.I hope spring is in full bloom.CheersHi StrangEyeThoughts of AMORC crossed my mind, as they were mentioned to me recently by a friend – seems all roads lead to AMORC in Nigeria.Will check email.ATB

  7. Jon Kidd replied:

    “The weaving shuttle seems to pass effortlessly from hand to hand or keyboard to keyboard, without leaving any seams or loose threads. “Indeedly do…I finished a post today about Humpty Dumpty and the movie ‘Falling down’. Looking up Humpty at Wiki brought up King Richard the third.Please excuse this wikiness…”Another theory posits Humpty Dumpty referring to King Richard III of England, Shakespeare’s hunchbacked Egg, the “Wall” being either the name of his horse (called “White Surrey” in Shakespeare’s play) or a reference to the supporters who deserted him. During the battle of Bosworth Field, Richard fell off his steed and was said to have been “hacked into pieces”The main character in ‘Falling down’ is named WILLIAM Foster. Thinking about Heath Ledger’s name. I’m sure that others have played with the name allot. I see the ‘Ledge’ in there pertaining to the edge of a building or cliff or…wall? Wuthering Heights with Keith Michell as Heathcliff- Heathledge? “Heath is a ground-hugging plant often considered to be a small shrub. It is identified by it’s needle-like foliage and small, bell-shaped flowers ranging from white to pink to purple to deep red.” Is this in reference to Joker’s clothing aesthetic? Micheal Douglas starred in the 1989 movie “War of the Roses”Now I’m starting to see bazaar correlations between these ‘characters’. Sorry for the rant….Great connections are inspirational. Salute, cheers, thanks, Sayonara

  8. wise woman replied:

    Greetings Eagle Eyes :)That wiki entry was rather interesting – "the hacking into peices" phrase does rather fit Mr (Osi) Ris & I left a comment with Aferrismoon the other day about how the phrase 'The King is dead, long live the King'- seems so particularly apprporiate to Osiris.William Foster also 'works'. Apart from the 'Williamness' of his name – there is another nursery Rhyme about 'Dr Foster who went to Gloucester' – before he was king, Richard was Duke of Gloucester!Bazaar correlations indeed – the more I play, the more I see them everywhere – if this is a holographic universe as Devin has been writing about, then that is exactly what I might expect to see AND surely that must include crossing the line into so-called 'fantasy & literature'!Thanks for the rememberance of the War of the Roses movie – the two jousters from that movie appeared once before on another article I wrote, which should not surprise me at all :)Rants always welcome. All the best to you

  9. Leon Basin replied:

    What an informative post. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I’m going to go through all of your stuff on your blog. You have a lot of great info! Thanks again.

  10. Ben Emlyn-Jones replied:

    Interesting, WW. Thanks.Oddly enough I saw a Tudor Rose-like symbol in Oxford Castle, even though it dated from a time after the Tudors. I didn’t get a photo of it, sorry! I’ll have to go back there.Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth are the two most famous people to have lived a long time apart, but still had similar lives. Clearly they’re not the only ones. It all illustrates the cyclical nature of time, as opposed to the linear. Could it also be an indicator of a “shared soul” or “hive mind” of some kind?

  11. wise woman replied:

    Hi Leon.Your name is instantly interesting owing to a 'leonine' theme I'm working on :)Many thanks for stopping by & for your your commentAll the best to youHiya BenI may have to look more deeply into roses at some time – Elton made England's symbol very big with his 'reworking'…hmmm I feel cogs moving in my brain :)I quite agree on your comments of the cyclical nature of time & the shared soul idea is another powerful possibility – actually just thinking on that it's amazing how there are 'types' of people & just by looking at them or being round them a short time you already 'know' a lot about them – I wonder if some stereotypes may be based (loosely) on fact.I am pleased you are well & definitely hope to join you at Probe sometime!All the best to you & Louisa

  12. Ben Emlyn-Jones replied:

    Hope so, WW. I know it’s a long journey for you, but you’ll find it worth the effort.Yes, I remembver Elton john’s new “Candle in the Wind” lyrics for Diana that he wrote in the week between her death and funeral. He called her “England’s rose”.

  13. wise woman replied:

    AMAZING Ben – I was about to sign off for the evening after doing some research & had just typed the name of one of my new articles which is a play on the title 'Candle in the Wind' – it's a completely different topic too! I've been struggling a bit with a couple of different directions to go but this says loud & clear that I'm on the right track – Many Thanks my friend!Am signing off with a big smile :)

  14. Paula Doss replied:

    Richard and Cecily Plantagent are my 21st great grandfather and grandmother. My line is directly from their son, King Edward !V. I find all of this very interesting.

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